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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 9, 2010 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Death of 'Net Neutrality' .... Say Goodbye to BitTorrent

Comcast has recently been caught red-handed limiting bandwidth to its high-speed internet subscribers. These were subscribers who were doing peer-to-peer networking. In other words, Comcast was censoring bandwidth to its customers who were using bit torrents and doing file sharing. Comcast got caught in the act of limiting customers' bandwidth, and, they got caught lying about it. A lawsuit is pending, Hart v. Comcast of Alameda, No. 2:08-MD-1992-LDD. I got the notice of pending lawsuit in the mail a couple of months ago.

The earliest post on this GD forum that I remember is wineland's posting, FCC chief grills Comcast on BitTorrent blocking. Good Job! Others have posted.

Additionally, I oppose the Comcast merger and acquisition proposal to take over NBC. There's no doubt the NBC networks, and all the NBC properties, would suffer immensely. They will become much worse than they are now. Say good-bye to any News Media that you may need to rely on for your well-being.

Net Neutrality gone on Wireless internet - Google - do no evil

10 years ago, I was leaning towards getting off Internet. I still lean this way, because. I'm into Einstein, nature, and the real world. But now I see it as the Net Neutrality issue is affecting Our Democracy at its core: This is due to The Total Loss of any News Media for citizens. How else do you make the best decisions that shall affect your life today?

I'm taking my stand here. Everything else in my life is a common thread to this root. Just like Jer said, "We want a simple life, a good life."

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Poster: ChefChappy Date: Aug 9, 2010 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Death of 'Net Neutrality' .... Say Goodbye to BitTorrent

First I want to say that I totally disagree and am outragesd over this proposed deal. BUT!!

My big problem is that I do believe in capitalism and I do not believe our government should get involved in this business decision.(they don't have the best track record) I have no problem if a web site wants to charge to access the information on their sites. At least I have an option to pay or not. With Verizon, I have NO options. They do have a right to decide what content they want to deliver over their system and how fast to deliver it. The probkem is that in many places there are no other options if you are not happy with verizon or comcast or whatever. Where I live, my community has a deal with Verizon so I am required to pay(at a discount) for internet services regardless of whether or not I decide to use them. As of right now, I have no other internet service providers I could choose from if I am unhappy with them. With 3 kids in in middle and high school, dropping services is not an option.

Also at question is the pay structure for the "new" internet. Most people already pay a fortune for internet and wireless plans. With this agreement, Verizon may have different pay structures like the cable companies. In my opinion, this has not worked out well for consumers!!!

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Poster: buscameby Date: Aug 9, 2010 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Death of 'Net Neutrality' .... Say Goodbye to BitTorrent

Totally agree Monte- you red flag wavin' Colorado hippie!(me to -lol)

Sorry that's what I hear all the time from my family.

Deals like Commiecast and NBC are just the result of our actually losing this war 30 years ago when the big media companies like Murdoch's bought the newspapers and we lost real reporting of IMPORTANT issues that determine the outcome of real liberty.

Television could have been a savior after it stole the newspaper audience but it sold out early on to the ad dollars.

When we lose the internet keep an eye out BB is a short time behind it.

Of coarse I'm a conspiracy nut and Jerry is a naught naught spy(Beverly Hillbilly fans will get that one).

0h yeah BB you can just add this to my file at BB HQ's(Fed BBQ Inspct. - yes I was a college rad)

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Poster: billydlions Date: Aug 9, 2010 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Death of 'Net Neutrality' .... Say Goodbye to BitTorrent

Hey buscameby,

I really dont disagree with what most are saying here, and I'm certainly guilty of over-using my share of bandwith, but put on you conspiracy hat and ask why the Feds (FCC) want to win this issue so badly. Do you really think they want to save all of the P2P networks out there? My vote goes to the most logical reason....they want to tax the internet. Imagine how much revenue that would bring in, not to mention control over the airwaves. Regulation always sounds great in theory but with our morons in Washington (on both sides) it never works the way they promise- so put me in the skeptical camp.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 9, 2010 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Death of 'Net Neutrality' .... Say Goodbye to BitTorrent

Yes, I agree. "Regulation always sounds great in theory but with our morons in Washington (on both sides) it never works the way they promise- so put me in the skeptical camp."

That's what Republicans want you to think - "it never works the way they promise." More easily put, if I may, "regulation can only be bad." That's impossible. Some things are regulated well, and the public benefits from them. The rhetoric "regs are always bad" led to the collapse of the housing market. Regs on banks were removed -- see the Glass–Steagall Banking Act of 1933. What happened? Housing prices collasped. We have mortgage failures and foreclosures by the millions. Millions of people lost jobs. Huge recession lingers on. Worst economic crisis in our lifetimes.

Republicans in our government had said, "Housing prices can only go up." This is impossible. Then they said, "Go ahead, get a 2nd mortgage. Your home is an ATM. Take the equity out, and buy worthless material crap. Trust us, everyone is doing it." Democrats said same thing.

The Democrats won't be honest about any of this, and they know better. Maybe one or two of them like Dennis Kucinich is a good guy. Democrats in Congress, and Obama's administration, should all be ashamed of themselves. Follow the money.

Right now Pakistan is flooding at record levels. 6 million people are affected so far. It's getting worse. No end in sight. Monsoon season is only mid-way. Russia is totally smoked out right now. Fires everywhere. Everyday is huge amounts of smoke for people there. It's pathetic for them. And they have 100-degree F temperatures there. It's normally 75 degrees F in Moscow in summer. Never seen anything like it. Over 300,000 acres burned. 100s of fires breaking out everywhere. But, it's the peat moss on these forest floors that are smoldering, and smoldering, and smoldering. People use this same peat moss for their fuel. They've been doing this for centuries. This is what's so incredible about the smoky crisis in Russia. A huge ice "burg" has just broken off from northwestern Greenland's ice shelf. “The new ice island has an area of at least 100 square miles and a thickness up to half the height of the Empire State Building,” Climate Scientists have been predicting this stuff for decades.

Where's the News Media reporting on global warming and climate change today? Absent. What about broiling temps in eastern USA? Record floods in Nashville and elsewhere back east? Need I say more?

Where's the News Media? Did the News Media report anything to you about Net Neutrality issues mentioned here?

Thanks for your comments. It's time for me to chill. I'm working on a tape.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 9, 2010 5:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Death of 'Net Neutrality' .... Say Goodbye to BitTorrent

I don't disagree with most of the thoughts here either. I am suspicious, but have come to realize that some regulation is necessary, rather then let the media outlets have their way completely. The FCC is traditionally hobbled by lack of vision and poor leadership, let alone underfunding. Yes, bit-torrent may be eating bandwidth - but the real hog is video. With the big dogs in charge of the Internet (Comcast, Time-Warner, Disney, Verizon, or pick your own evil empire) this move is an additional REVENUE stream for big media. More and more people are watching TV on the Internet! They measure them carefully and know exactly where bandwidth is needed.

The FCC hasn't got the cojones or the fire-power. Citizens must stand up!

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Poster: buscameby Date: Aug 9, 2010 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Death of 'Net Neutrality' .... Say Goodbye to BitTorrent

I was very laissez-faire in my business beliefs but have seen to many abuses from both sides and it seems the money usually wins in the long run. If they don't buy the regulations in congress, they buy the regulators by giving them cushy high paying jobs to lobby for them after.

The most recent case being the Oil and Gas regulations that allowed for the catastrophe in the Gulf.

If there is a way around or to manipulate rather than do the right thing for the future, we seem to side on the short term excuse if it means jobs now rather than safety first and do long term testing which may cost more upfront or eliminate the project which lines some body's pockets with GOLD.

Lets ask Wall Street which they prefer, Profit at any cost, even our deluded middle class taxes paying the tab for generations to come as we cut the capital gains taxes, Mr Bush.

Damn, you picked the wrong day to get my dander up-sorry, its been building since my tenant screwed me out of another months rent( yes I'm a slum lord).